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Old 10-22-2006, 07:37 AM
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Default difference between a PR4 and PR5 site

I know that Google PR is supposedly not very important but I am curious to know what makes the difference between a PR4 and a PR5 site.

I've had no problem at all creating PR4 sites. The only PR5 site I have ever had was a blog I created with blogger.com And it only remained a PR5 for about two months.

Is Google PR based on links, content, time?

Is there a recipe to follow for PR5, PR6 etc?
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Default Re: difference between a PR4 and PR5 site

Pagerank is based solely on links, nothing else. The recipe for increasing PR is always the same...get more links from high PR pages.
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Old 10-22-2006, 09:23 AM
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Default Re: difference between a PR4 and PR5 site

The recipe for increasing PR is always the same...get more links from high PR pages.

Yes, partially true but a rather simplistic answer to a more complex formulation. A careful read of

http://infolab.stanford.edu/%7Ebackrub/google.html

suggests that incoming authority links are a mere component of the final solution.

Some may be surprised to know that the final PR calculation (of any page) is tempered by the number of outgoing links C(A) on that page.

Which questions why a webmaster sometimes places large numbers of off-site links at the bottom of their homepage.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but outgoing links only divide the PR that a page passes, not the calculation for that given page's PR. Now it is true that if you link to a large number of external pages, your internal links will receive less PR, but that doesn't directly have an effect on PR for the page doing the linking.
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Default Re: difference between a PR4 and PR5 site

We assume page A has pages T1...Tn which point to it (i.e., are citations). The parameter d is a damping factor which can be set between 0 and 1. We usually set d to 0.85. There are more details about d in the next section. Also C(A) is defined as the number of links going out of page A. The PageRank of a page A is given as follows:

PR(A) = (1-d) + d (PR(T1)/C(T1) + ... + PR(Tn)/C(Tn))
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Default Re: difference between a PR4 and PR5 site

I understand how PR would ultimately be less if you link to pages that link back to you, but I don't see how PR would be affected if the links do not link back to you directly. I'm reading up on this more though, as you've made me question my beliefs on this...

I'm not a math-wiz...can you provide any resources that explain in plain english why PR would be affected?
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Default Re: difference between a PR4 and PR5 site

Simple the PR would have been passed to other pages in your site and in turn passed back to the homepage. Now you lost that PR forever as you have sent it to another site.

Play with this tool and you will figure it out.

To keep it simple just check all of the boxes for A-D and add 2 inbound links passing 1.0 PR. The PR of the homepage is 4.826 and all other pages are 3.502.

Now add 2 outbounds to the homepage and your PR cahnges to 3.216 for the homepage and 1.608 for the other pages.

Why? You took away (leaked) the PR that would have gone to the interior pages and in turn been passed back to the homepage by linking to 2 other sites.
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Default Re: difference between a PR4 and PR5 site

Most believe that PR is on a logarithmic scale so if it was a scale of 10 it would look like this:
PR 1 = 0-10
PR 2 = 11-100
PR 3 = 101-1,000
PR 4 = 1,001-10,000
PR 5 = 10,001-100,000

So to answer your question of what is the difference, it can be huge.

Also you do realize that most of the "directories" that you are linking to give nothing in return correct? You are giving a PR4 link for no traffic and very little if any PR in return.

IMO some like Valuecom can't be called anything other than a FFA. They link to any real estate site that will link to them, and the links are on a page with hundreds and hundreds of other links that are in no order. Your giving way more than you are getting in return.
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Default Re: difference between a PR4 and PR5 site

From what I have observed on my site and my blog, I think there is an age component as well as a number of and quality of inbound links. My home page went to a 5 a month or so ago and I have done little link building over the last few months.

My blog is the same way. I worked at getting good inbound links after getting to a PR 4. After that I let it coast. Six months later it was a 6.
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Default Re: difference between a PR4 and PR5 site

A new site can go straight o a high PR. Age has nothing to do with it. The only thing that age has to do with is that the Toolbar PR updates are old data. The last update only showed date up to about July 20th for example. So any links you got after that or pages that had been created after that have no impact on the last PR update.
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